Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/02/1994 01:45 PM Senate HES

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    SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                     
                         March 2, 1994                                         
                           1:45 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
 Senator Steve Rieger, Chairman                                                
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
 Senator Mike Miller                                                           
 Senator Jim Duncan                                                            
 Senator Johnny Ellis                                                          
 Senator Judy Salo                                                             
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Bert Sharp, Vice-Chairman                                             
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
 SENATE BILL NO. 270                                                           
 "An Act creating the Alaska Health Commission; relating to the                
 delivery, quality, access, and financing of health care; relating             
 to review and approval of rates and charges of health insurers;               
 relating to certain civil actions against health care providers and           
 health insurers; repealing Alaska Rule of Civil Procedure 72.1; and           
 providing for an effective date."                                             
                                                                               
 SENATE BILL NO. 284                                                           
 "An Act establishing the Alaska Health Insurance Corporation and              
 requiring licensed health care providers to comply with certain               
 statutes and regulations relating to the corporation; relating to             
 disability insurance claims processing and to approval of rates for           
 disability insurance, including health insurance; and providing for           
 an effective date."                                                           
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
                                                                               
 SB 270 - See Health, Education & Social Services minutes dated                
          2/9/94 and 2/18/94.                                                  
                                                                               
 SB 284 - See Health, Education & Social Services minutes dated                
          2/14/94 and 2/18/94.                                                 
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
 Justine Muench                                                                
 Alaska Nurses Association                                                     
 P.O. Box 32566                                                                
 Juneau, Alaska 99803                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 284.                                      
                                                                               
 Steve Larsen, International Union Representative                              
 American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees                   
 P.O. Box 93830                                                                
 Anchorage, Alaska 99509-3830                                                  
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 284.                                      
                                                                               
 John Schaffer                                                                 
 State Legislative Committee                                                   
 American Association of Retired Persons                                       
 303 Kimsham                                                                   
 Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Urged movement of SB 284.                              
                                                                               
 Mike Brogan                                                                   
 Licensed Insurance Representative                                             
 1435 N Street                                                                 
 Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Reviewed health care.                                  
                                                                               
 John Riley                                                                    
 Alaskan Academy of Physicians Assistants                                      
 1217 E 10th Avenue                                                            
 Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 284.                                      
                                                                               
 Greg Devereaux, Deputy Director                                               
 Washington Federation of State Employees                                      
 Olympia, Washington                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 284.                                      
                                                                               
 Teresa Lyons, President                                                       
 Fairbanks District of the Alaska Nurses Association                           
 P.O. Box 74111                                                                
 Fairbanks, Alaska 99707                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 284.                                      
                                                                               
 Marlene Leak                                                                  
 771 8th Avenue                                                                
 Fairbanks, Alaska 99701                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 270 and SB 284.                             
                                                                               
 Wally Klinglehut                                                              
 5072 N. Tongass                                                               
 Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 284.                                      
                      Opposed SB 270.                                          
                                                                               
 Patti Hong                                                                    
 Registered Nurse                                                              
 P.O. Box 321                                                                  
 Girdwood, Alaska 99587                                                        
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 284.                                      
                                                                               
 PAUL WORREL, President                                                        
 Anchorage Medical Association                                                 
 Anchorage, Alaska                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 284.                                        
                      Supported the concept of SB 270.                         
                                                                               
 John Hanchett, President                                                      
 Alaska Association of Life Underwriters                                       
 P.O. Box 10041                                                                
 Fairbanks, Alaska 99710                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 284.                                        
                                                                               
 Steve LeBrun, Account Manager                                                 
 AETNA Health Plan                                                             
 Seattle, Washington                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 270.                                      
                                                                               
 Hamlin Faure, Student Intern                                                  
 Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special Education                      
   Anchorage, Alaska                                                           
 POSITION STATEMENT:   Reviewed health care issues of importance to            
                      disabled individuals.                                    
                                                                               
 Bonnie Nelson                                                                 
 Alaska Public Interest Research Group                                         
 Eagle River, Alaska                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 284, conditional to a list of             
                      principles from AKPIRG.                                  
                                                                               
 Gordan Evans                                                                  
 Health Insurance Association of America                                       
 318 4th Street                                                                
 Juneau, Alaska                                                                
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 270 with some modifications.              
                                                                               
 Dave Walsh, Director                                                          
 Division of Insurance                                                         
 Department of Commerce & Economic Development                                 
 Juneau, Alaska                                                                
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered information regarding fiscal note of           
                      SB 270.                                                  
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 94-14, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 001                                                                    
 CHAIRMAN RIEGER called the Senate Health, Education and Social                
 Services (HESS) Committee to order at 1:45 p.m.  He introduced  SB
 284  (COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE ACT) and  SB 270  (COMPREHENSIVE    VE   
 HEALTH CARE) as the only business before the committee.  He noted             
 that public testimony would be heard on these two bills.                      
                                                                               
 JUSTINE MUENCH, representing the Alaska Nurses Association, stated            
 support of universal coverage for all Alaskans.  The Association              
 supports a single payer approach to ensure a basic set of benefits            
 for every citizen.  She welcomed the development of the corporation           
 which would control costs, increase coverage, and provide a                   
 structure for addressing the health care needs of the state.  Under           
 SB 284, she applauded the recognition of the need for strong public           
 health.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Ms. Muench expressed concern that as written, SB 284 does not                 
 clearly prevent the exclusion of coverage for any reason.  She                
 asked for the committee's careful consideration of any amendments             
 that would ensure universal and comprehensive coverage.  She noted            
 that the Alaska Nurses Association supports the efforts to include            
 all appropriate providers in the cost reimbursement mechanism.  The           
 incentives provided for primary care providers, which will                    
 significantly impact accessibility for rural populations, is also             
 supported by the Alaska Nurses Association.                                   
                                                                               
 Ms. Muench acknowledged the required public involvement under SB
 284; however, she urged the committee to add language to                      
 demonstrate a commitment to greater consumer representation on the            
 board itself.  The Alaska Nurses Association endorses SB 284.                 
                                                                               
 Number 090                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN thanked Ms. Muench for her testimony.  He explained            
 that the language was not intended to exclude anyone, therefore it            
 should be clarified.  JUSTINE MUENCH said that the language was               
 fairly clear on employment, but the pre-existing conditions portion           
 seems a bit vague.  SENATOR DUNCAN noted that a pre-existing                  
 condition would not be a reason to exclude anyone because SB 284              
 does state that every resident of the state would have the                    
 insurance policy of the corporation.                                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN said that the seven member board should ensure that            
 there are consumers present.  He explained that "experts" was not             
 intended to imply that they were health care providers.  He                   
 suggested that the term knowledgeable would be better.                        
                                                                               
 STEVE LARSEN, American Federation of State County and Municipal               
 Employees, noted that he had sent a letter of support for SB 284.             
 He expressed support for universal coverage and the single payer              
 system.  He related his experience that health care was a major               
 problem when negotiating a collective bargaining agreement.  He               
 applauded the efforts of the committee.                                       
                                                                               
 JOHN SHAFFER, representing the State Legislative Committee (SLC)              
 and the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP), stated that           
 for many years SLC and AARP have placed health care reform as the             
 main priority in their legislative program.  Increased health care            
 costs effect every citizen.  He emphasized that now is the time for           
 action not the time for additional study.  He urged movement of               
 SB 284, especially before the federal government imposes their                
 own plan.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 188                                                                    
                                                                               
 MIKE BROGAN, Licensed Insurance Representative, testifying for                
 himself stated that universal access should be considered.  There             
 are two mechanisms available for universal access:  the individual            
 high risk pool, and the small group pooling reform program.  He               
 noted that the individual high risk pool should be stripped of the            
 pre-existing conditions clause.  He expressed the need to have                
 provisions for an access mechanism, mainly to provide security for            
 uninsurables within the health care reform.  He explained that the            
 economic incentives should be left in place so that the individual            
 can determine their own deductibles and take responsibility of                
 their own affairs.                                                            
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RIEGER asked what firms in Alaska offer individual                   
 policies.  MIKE BROGAN said that Principal Mutual, Golden Rule, and           
 Blue Cross were the primary firms he knew.                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS asked if Mr. Brogan believed that the individual high           
 risk pool and the small group market reform did not solve the                 
 problem of universal access.  In his opinion, everyone has access             
 and the problem is that individuals cannot afford coverage.  He               
 asked if the problems with the individual high risk pool and the              
 small group market reform were corrected, would that solve the                
 health care problem.  He asked what was Mr. Brogan's opinion of               
 rate review authority.                                                        
                                                                               
 MIKE BROGAN informed the committee that the individual high risk              
 pool has a six month pre-existing condition clause which seems to             
 defeat the purpose of having a high risk pool.  He suggested higher           
 contributions to the pool so that the pre-existing conditions can             
 be covered or the state could work out a relationship with the                
 company.  He pointed out that the small group pool does not allow             
 exclusion of anyone with a high risk; however, the enabling                   
 legislation creating the pool for the insurance companies to fund             
 those high risks has not been provided.  Regarding the rate review            
 authority, there should not be a loophole.  He said that the rates            
 should be public and fair.                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS asked Mr. Brogan for which companies he writes health           
 insurance policies.  MIKE BROGAN said he represented Blue Cross,              
 Principal Mutual, New York Life, Guardian, AETNA, and Golden Rule.            
                                                                               
 Number 294                                                                    
                                                                               
 JOHN RILEY, Alaskan Academy of Physicians Assistants, stated                  
 support for SB 284.  He noted that SB 284 addresses the increasing            
 costs of health care and the 15 percent of Alaskans who do not have           
 health care coverage.  He pointed out that SB 284 will control                
 increases in cost by setting a target budget and by encouraging the           
 training and attention of lower cost primary care providers.  The             
 notion that lower income Alaskans have access to Medicaid or                  
 general medical relief is a myth; 30,000 Alaskans who live 200                
 percent below the poverty level have no health coverage.  He also             
 negated the myth that those without health care are non-productive            
 and living off the system; 90 percent of those who are uninsured              
 Alaskans are working people and their dependents.  He related some            
 of the health care problems he sees on a daily basis.  He stated              
 that many who do receive charity care often only receive it when              
 the problem has reached a critical level.  He urged taking action             
 on SB 284.                                                                    
                                                                               
 GREG DEVEREAUX, Deputy Director of the Washington Federation of               
 State Employees, testified on behalf of the American Federation of            
 State County and Municipal Employees International.  He stated that           
 the AFSCME International Union supports the concept of single payer           
 health care reform.  He discussed the Clinton plan.  He noted the             
 importance for Alaska and other states to consider health reform              
 options in order to have greater leverage when and if the national            
 plan passes.  He commended the work done on SB 284.  He pointed out           
 Alaska's unique geographical and market place health care                     
 obstacles:  the dispersed low density population and the                      
 transportation issues.  He said that it would be unlikely that a              
 competitive health care market place would develop in much of                 
 Alaska, therefore, one state level entity makes more sense.                   
                                                                               
 The establishment of the Alaska Health Insurance Corporation would            
 ensure the establishment of a minimum benefit package, expenditure            
 targets, and long term examination of the provider network which              
 are all critical to cost containment.  He noted that the data                 
 section in SB 284 would permit the corporation to make better                 
 informed decisions regarding utilization and cost containment.  Mr.           
 Devereaux stated that generally SB 284 merges the best of the                 
 managed care model with the strengths of the single payer system.             
 AFSCME International supports SB 284.                                         
                                                                               
 Number 389                                                                    
                                                                               
 TERESA LYONS, President of the Fairbanks District of the Alaska               
 Nurses Association, testified in support of SB 284 with                       
 consideration to reviewing the composition of the board.  The board           
 should be consumer-driven with access to knowledgeable advisors.              
 She also stated that the pre-existing conditions clause are not               
 acceptable.  She explained that just because everyone may be                  
 covered by some sort of insurance plan does not guarantee that                
 health care services will be available in a timely, cost effective,           
 and quality manner, especially with the current delivery system.              
 She said that the current health care system is an illness driven             
 system.  She discussed the access problems in Fairbanks.  She urged           
 support of SB 284 in order to enter the twenty-first century as               
 healthy, educated, and productive individuals.                                
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RIEGER asked what would be present in a wellness driven              
 system as opposed to an illness driven system.  TERESA LYONS said             
 that a wellness driven system would be willing to pay for early               
 diagnosis.  Ms. Lyons noted that such a system would look at                  
 substance abuse from the source not the symptoms.  Ms. Lyons also             
 noted the need to review the issues of violence.  The benefits                
 package should be geared toward prevention and paying in the                  
 beginning rather than late in life.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 443                                                                    
                                                                               
 MARLENE LEAK stated that she believed that health care problems are           
 really a Congressional crisis.  She referred to information she had           
 sent the committee.  She indicated that cost shifting due to                  
 Congress' passage of COBRA increased health care costs.  She                  
 pointed out that SB 270 and SB 284 suggest that cost shifting would           
 be allowed at the state level under view of the state established             
 commission.  She did not believe that would be necessary,                     
 especially when costs are increased due to the creation of a large            
 state bureaucracy.  She stated that the creation of a bureaucracy             
 increases costs and bureaucracy, while service goes down.                     
                                                                               
 Ms. Leak pointed out that the board in SB 270 would determine if              
 claims were legitimate while it also determines what services are             
 covered.  The board's dual responsibility for judicial and                    
 executive functions would create a conflict of interests.  She                
 opposed SB 270 and SB 284.  She emphasized the need to address the            
 acts of Congress such as ERISA in order to support private sector             
 health care where there is accountability and responsibility.  She            
 expressed that the best value for the patient would occur when                
 decisions are made by the patient and the physician, not by                   
 bureaucrats.                                                                  
                                                                               
 WALLY KLINGLEHUT opposed SB 270.  He said that there had been                 
 enough study on health care.  SB 284 is a step in the right                   
 direction.  He commended the work group on SB 284.  He also noted             
 the need for consumer involvement.  He related his own health                 
 experiences when stating that SB 284 would address health care                
 problems.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 547                                                                    
                                                                               
 PATTI HONG, Registered Nurse, supported SB 284.  She explained that           
 universal coverage and direct access to the full range of                     
 appropriate providers would be an effective strategy to achieve               
 what she saw as the ultimate goal, a healthy population.  She                 
 stated that the data collecting aspect of SB 270 has already been             
 collected.  Furthermore, SB 270 does not commit to universal                  
 coverage, long term care, or wellness and prevention.  She urged              
 the legislature to pass SB 284.                                               
                                                                               
 SENATOR SALO asked if Ms. Hong believed that the study called for             
 in SB 270 was redundant.  PATTI HONG said yes.  Ms. Hong noted her            
 belief that many of those on the task force did not originally                
 support the single payer approach, but after the months of input              
 from a variety of sources the task force did support the single               
 payer approach.                                                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RIEGER asked Ms. Hong if she knew what the financial                 
 mechanism would be, the amount per capita, or the forum in which              
 the money would be collected.  PATTI HONG deferred to the findings            
 of the task force.  She did not believe that the task force had an            
 actual dollar amount.  She noted that one of the duties of the                
 insurance corporation would be to formulate such a plan.                      
                                                                               
 TAPE 94-14, SIDE B                                                            
 Number 591                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN stated that the question of the cost of delivering             
 health care under the single payer system and the inquiries                   
 regarding cost savings under the single payer system are good                 
 questions.  He pointed out that the task force had an estimated               
 savings of $200 million a year or $1.2 billion over ten years.  The           
 Congressional Budget Office reports and the General Accounting                
 Office (GAO) reports regarding the savings under the single payer             
 system at the federal level have identified tremendous savings.  He           
 noted that the last GAO report estimated that due to the single               
 payer system a $114 billion reduction in the deficit would be                 
 present by the year 2003.                                                     
                                                                               
 Senator Duncan discussed the Vermont evaluation of the single payer           
 system versus the multiple payer system in delivering health care.            
 Solutions for Progress, the research firm who did the Vermont cost            
 analysis, estimated tremendous savings under the single payer                 
 system.  He emphasized that in general, there are tremendous                  
 savings overall under the single payer approach to providing health           
 care due to administrative savings, universal access, and cost                
 controls.                                                                     
                                                                               
 PAUL WORREL, President of the Anchorage Medical Association and               
 physician, stated opposition to SB 284.  He said that many of the             
 doctors in Anchorage had just found out about the bill and were               
 opposed to its content.  He believed that the Anchorage Medical               
 Society would probably change its support of SB 284.  He explained            
 that he was in the process of collecting the replies of an opinion            
 survey regarding SB 284; he stated that the majority were opposed             
 to the bill.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Dr. Worrel expressed concern that SB 284 does not have any funding            
 in place.  He was concerned that his industry would be giving up              
 pricing control with nothing in return if funding did not develop,            
 eventually; they would be giving up their economic future.  He                
 explained that the majority of physicians do not have any                     
 confidence in the government's ability to solve the problems or the           
 cost of health care.  Most of these physicians have worked in                 
 government run hospitals during their training years and they                 
 complain that these hospitals are poorly run.  He did not want such           
 sloppy management to spread to private hospitals.                             
                                                                               
 Number 520                                                                    
                                                                               
 Dr. Worrel cited the last paragraph of SB 284 as a point of                   
 concern.  He also pointed out that page 2 of SB 284 presents the              
 underlying premise of the bill which places physicians responsible            
 for cost controls.  He said that to single out physicians for price           
 control is not a real solution.  The hypothesis that physicians               
 have a lot of control over there overhead is false.  He referred to           
 page 11, line 22 which does not allow the physician the choice of             
 who to see or not to see.  That would eliminate an important legal            
 right of the physician.  He explained that both the physician and             
 the patient should be able to choose who they would or would not              
 see.                                                                          
                                                                               
 Dr. Worrel suggested that the committee use the Tort Reform as a              
 starting point to decrease costs.  He expressed the desire that SB
 284 be kept in committee.  He supported the concept of SB 270.                
                                                                               
 Number 469                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS asked Dr. Worrel if he wrote an opinion piece about             
 health care reform in the  Voice of the Times .  PAUL WORREL said           
 yes.  SENATOR ELLIS asked if that opinion piece concluded that                
 health care reform was a plot by Democrats and President Clinton to           
 get re-elected and stir the country up.  PAUL WORREL did not agree.           
 Dr. Worrel said that the health care issue is very complicated with           
 a historical background.                                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS encouraged everyone to read Dr. Worrel's article.               
 PAUL WORREL informed the committee that another article would be              
 published in a week or so.  This article suggests that many                   
 hospital expenses could be decreased by eliminating the federal               
 government rules from the hospitals.                                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS asked if Dr. Worrel was unaware of the physicians and           
 health folks participating in the discussions of the task force and           
 other health related groups.  He asked if Dr. Worrel was unaware of           
 the effort to create a change in health care.  PAUL WORREL vaguely            
 recollected the meetings and such.  Dr. Worrel said that the                  
 physicians that were involved were not known by he and many other             
 physicians.  Dr. Worrel suggested that changes to the health care             
 system should be done through rational thinking with real numbers             
 and real solutions.                                                           
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS clarified that Dr. Worrel believed that the financial           
 figures being suggested regarding health care were insignificant,             
 but that Tort Reform would be a help in addressing the health care            
 problem.  He encouraged Dr. Worrel to get up to date on the numbers           
 and their proportions.                                                        
                                                                               
 PAUL WORREL explained that there are a lot of opinions on the exact           
 figures.  He said that no one has actually measured the cost of               
 health care.  He discussed his interaction with Senator Stevens               
 regarding federal information for analyzation of this issue.  He              
 noted that his analyzation was different.  SENATOR ELLIS agreed               
 that Dr. Worrel had analyzed the facts and figures differently.               
                                                                               
 Number 381                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN referred to Section 13 when clarifying that the 1.5            
 percent increase is the cost increase on top of other factors.                
 PAUL WORREL did not believe the language was to that effect.                  
 SENATOR DUNCAN pointed out that SB 284 said "not withstanding"                
 which means in addition to the 1.5 percent increase.  PAUL WORREL             
 said he would be glad to work with the committee on these problems.           
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN asked Dr. Worrel how long he had been president of             
 the Anchorage Medical Association.  PAUL WORREL said he had been              
 president for a couple of months.  SENATOR DUNCAN noted his                   
 presence at the Anchorage Medical Association's meeting that voted            
 to support SB 284.  Senator Duncan pointed out that the physicians            
 who worked on SB 284 have been involved in the Anchorage Medical              
 Association for years and are well known.  Senator Duncan asked Dr.           
 Worrel if he was a member of Alaska State Medical Association                 
 (ASMA).  PAUL WORREL said yes.  SENATOR DUNCAN informed Dr. Worrel            
 that ASMA supported SB 284.  PAUL WORREL stated that many                     
 physicians oppose SB 284 and the votes referenced by Senator Duncan           
 could change.                                                                 
                                                                               
 JOHN HANCHETT, President of the Alaska Association of Life                    
 Underwriters, stated that the Alaska Association of Life                      
 Underwriters support health care reform, affordability, the Tort              
 Reform, and improved access.  He stated that they oppose SB 284;              
 there is no need for more bureaucracy to further raise health care            
 costs.  He noted the need for realistic funding mechanisms before             
 legislation is passed that could further current deficit problems.            
 He explained that Vermont and its solutions for health care are               
 different than Alaska.                                                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS asked if Mr. Hanchett supported SB 270 and its                  
 proposed rate review authority for health insurance companies.                
 JOHN HANCHETT indicated that he had not reviewed SB 270 in depth.             
 Mr. Hanchett stated that he would be in favor of rate review                  
 authority.  Mr. Hanchett noted that they represented the people of            
 Alaska who need the health care reform and the taxpayers who will             
 incur the cost.                                                               
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS asked for which companies Mr. Hanchett writes                   
 policies.  JOHN HANCHETT said he wrote policies for Blue Cross,               
 AETNA, Principal Mutual, Golden Rule, and New York Life.                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN clarified that the Vermont study reference was                 
 intended to point out that the study indicated tremendous savings             
 in the single payer system.  JOHN HANCHETT stated that he opposed             
 the single payer system.                                                      
                                                                               
 STEVE LEBRUN, AETNA Account Manager, noted that AETNA has the                 
 largest share of the Alaska health insurance market.  He said that            
 AETNA agrees that changes are needed in health care and access                
 system and that Alaska is different from other states.  Managed               
 care principles could and would work in urban Alaska.  He expressed           
 the belief of AETNA that federal legislation is likely to pass this           
 year and some requirements will effect every state, even Alaska.              
 SB 270 has advantages to approaching the health care issue.  He               
 stated that SB 270 would allow the legislature to know:                       
  (1) the federal requirements to be applied to all states and                 
  those requirements left to the discretion of the states before               
  finalizing their own plans;                                                  
  (2) which specific health care benefits would be guaranteed or               
  required by Congress;                                                        
  (3) how universal care can, should, or would be financed at                  
  the federal level; and                                                       
  (4) an estimate of the cost of additional health care reform                 
  recommendations made by the proposed State Health Care                       
  Commissioner.                                                                
                                                                               
 Mr. LeBrun explained that when more information is available, the             
 effects of federal and state health care reform legislation on                
 individuals and Alaskan businesses will be clearer.  He noted                 
 immediate improvements to Alaska's health care system as                      
 recommended by SB 270:                                                        
  (1) reduction of administrative costs by requiring uniform                   
  claims forms for providers and consumers;                                    
  (2) design and implementation of a comprehensive data                        
  collection system in order to improve financial and quality of               
  care decisions;                                                              
  (3) formation of voluntary insurance pools to achieve better                 
  rates and purchasing power while lowering the costs of small                 
  business employees;                                                          
  (4) requiring an annual public health plan to improve                        
  coordination among public health agencies, promote primary and               
  preventive care, and to set public health objectives; and                    
  (5) reduction of health care costs and the utilization impact                
  through Tort Reform.                                                         
                                                                               
 Mr. LeBrun pointed out that the Health Care Commission should focus           
 on such long term objectives as the development of alternative                
 benefit packages and costs for universal care with submission to              
 the next legislature, and development of recommendations for                  
 additional legislative action which would be compatible with                  
 federal legislation but tailored to Alaska.                                   
                                                                               
 Mr. LeBrun stated that SB 284 is premised on the conclusion that              
 Alaska would appoint a commission who would be responsible for                
 decision making and financing of health care under a single payer             
 system.  The single payer system would give the Commission the                
 power to decide what benefit package should be available to all               
 Alaskans, who would pay for it and how the payment would be                   
 distributed among individuals.  The single payer system could act             
 as its own insurer and claims payer which would replace the role of           
 private insurers.  He also noted that the single payer system would           
 give the Commission the power to regulate health care provider                
 rates if providers do not meet statewide expenditure limits as set            
 by the Commission.  Finally, this system would allow the                      
 establishment of health care spending limits including private                
 expenditures if the voluntary limits fail within the specified time           
 period.  He stated that SB 284 goes too far with governmental                 
 control of Alaska's health care system with no assurances that the            
 new system would be better than the one it replaces.  There is too            
 much responsibility given to the Commission with no future thought,           
 trade offs, financing impacts or consequences.                                
                                                                               
 Number 152                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS asked if AETNA was a member of Health Insurance                 
 Association of America (HIAA).  STEVE LEBRUN said no.  SENATOR                
 ELLIS asked if AETNA supported the rate review authority.  STEVE              
 LEBRUN stated that any rate review procedure should be consistent             
 with the prevailing approach used by most state insurance                     
 departments.  Mr. LeBrun expressed limited concerns with the two              
 tier review approach in SB 270, but they would be supportive of               
 reasonable rate regulations.                                                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS asked if they supported SB 270, but were going to               
 attempt to change the portion relating to rate review.  STEVE                 
 LEBRUN offered to provide written comments on rate review.  Mr.               
 LeBrun was not opposed to the general concept of rate review at the           
 level practiced in other states.                                              
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN asked if Mr. LeBrun supported SB 270 and the                   
 requirement that they come before the next legislature with a                 
 defined benefit package.  STEVE LEBRUN said yes.  SENATOR DUNCAN              
 stated that even SB 270 realizes that a benefit package cannot be             
 designed in four or five months.                                              
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN pointed out that Mr. LeBrun testified that the                 
 Corporation would decide upon its own the benefit package that                
 would be available to Alaskans which is at odds with Mr. LeBrun's             
 earlier statement that the benefit package would be controlled by             
 federal requirements as to what would be in a benefit package.                
 STEVE LEBRUN stated that the federal picture has not become clear.            
 In general, there will be a move toward defining a comprehensive              
 benefit package whether the federal government will exercise                  
 authority or not.                                                             
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN asked if both bills approach a comprehensive data              
 system and the collection of comprehensive data on health care in             
 a similar manner.  STEVE LEBRUN said that both bills are similarly            
 seeking comprehensive data, cost, and utilization factors.                    
                                                                               
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 HAMLIN FAURE, Social Work student at UAA, stated that as a student            
 intern for the Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special                 
 Education she has been following health care reform in Alaska for             
 the Council's subcommittee.  This has increased her awareness of              
 health care issues that face disabled individuals and their                   
 families.  She noted that she was not speaking on behalf of the               
 Council or its subcommittee.  She said that consumer representation           
 on any health care commission or corporation is important.                    
 Consumer Representation would ensure that health care concerns of             
 the consumer are considered and acted upon.  Furthermore a feeling            
 of ownership would be promoted with consumer representation.  She             
 appreciated the inclusion of consumer representation in SB 284.               
                                                                               
 Ms. Fore pointed out that universal coverage is essential to those            
 with disabilities.  Often disabled individuals have complex and               
 specialized medical needs which increases the importance of                   
 provider choice and full coverage for services.  A benefit package            
 that addresses the needs of disabled individuals is of major                  
 importance.  She expressed appreciation that SB 284 specifically              
 includes long term health care provisions.  She noted the                     
 importance of public involvement of all Alaskans and their feeling            
 of ownership.  Without public ownership, reforming Alaska's health            
 care system is nearly impossible.  She asserted that input from               
 disabled individuals when defining a benefit package is necessary             
 in order to fill the gaps in services currently in the system.  She           
 encouraged anyone interested in health care concerns of disabled              
 individuals to contact Kathy Fitzgerald, Chair of the Governor's              
 Council on Disabilities and Special Education.                                
                                                                               
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 BONNIE NELSON, representing Alaska Public Interest Research Group,            
 stated support for SB 284 conditional upon the principles AKPIRG              
 had suggested.  She emphasized that they believe comprehensive                
 universal coverage is a right.  Both AKPIRG and the U.S. Public               
 Interest Research Group believe that the single payer system is the           
 only way to provide guaranteed coverage.  She pointed out that                
 there is no assurance of universal coverage in SB 270.  She stated            
 that pre-existing conditions clauses currently in many statutes are           
 discriminatory.  She explained that businesses often face increased           
 claims and premiums when they hire disabled individuals.  There               
 should be incentives provided to businesses and municipalities when           
 they hire the handicap.                                                       
                                                                               
 Ms. Nelson noted that consumer control in the composition of the              
 corporation is very important.  She stated that they believe that             
 the presence of a health care provider or anyone in a health                  
 related field on the corporation would have a conflict of interest.           
 She explained that disabled individuals or parents of disabled                
 individuals have valuable life experience that is often more                  
 ethically important than a health care provider or legal                      
 professional's expertise.  She asserted that the public process of            
 decision making has to be done by those who have had or been with             
 or know the emotions of the experience.  She is trying to come up             
 with language to define a consumer that would include the disabled.           
 She said that a board of disabled individuals would probably arrive           
 at the single pool faster due to their vested interest.                       
                                                                               
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 Ms. Nelson believed that many national disability coalitions are              
 supporting the single payer concept because it is inexpensive, good           
 for business, and it encourages businesses to hire disabled                   
 individuals.  The single payer system provides equality and                   
 comprehensiveness.  She explained that disabled individuals should            
 not be considered a special interest group, but rather the litmus             
 test for any reform that passes.                                              
                                                                               
 Ms. Nelson pointed out that AKPIRG supports the notion that                   
 regulations are the responsibility of the state not the federal or            
 local government.  She stated that there could not be any free-               
 riders.  Disabled individuals want to pay their fair share.  She              
 expressed concern with high payments and co-payments.  She noted              
 that successful developed and industrialized countries use cost               
 sharing from the wealthy in order to control costs.  She suggested            
 that cost sharing from those at the top should be reviewed for                
 Alaska.  Most disabled individuals are willing to pay the same as             
 wealthy individuals if that means higher premiums spread in a                 
 single pool concept in order to eliminate high deductibles and co-            
 payments.  She reiterated the need for the young and healthy to               
 think about what would happen if they were in an accident or became           
 ill.  She noted that the Tort Reform takes money from individuals             
 at the bottom, the poorest individuals.                                       
                                                                               
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 GORDAN EVANS, representing the Health Insurance Association of                
 America (HIAA), offered to present his written testimony.  HIAA               
 supports SB 270 with some changes.  He noted that HIAA supports the           
 following building blocks of comprehensive health care: measurable            
 quality and outcome standards, physician choice, and administrative           
 simplification.  Reform must shift from an emphasis on sickness and           
 repair to an emphasis on health and wellness.  He pointed out that            
 HIAA does not agree with the sponsor of SB 284 placing the                    
 government as the most appropriate mechanism for delivering health            
 care to Alaskans.  HIAA supports the government as an enabler and             
 not a doer.  He stated that HIAA believes that everyone is entitled           
 to health care coverage and in order to accomplish this goal the              
 employer based system should be built upon to create a consumer               
 responsive prevention focused affordable and cost effective health            
 system.                                                                       
                                                                               
 A government run, single payer system would not provide the service           
 or access to technology that most Americans expect and deserve.  He           
 said that the Canadian style single payer public health insurance             
 is not the solution.  He discussed the problems Canada's health               
 care system is facing such as the incredible waiting lists for                
 surgery and treatments which leads to many Canadians seeking health           
 care in the U.S.  He stated that there is no reason to assume that            
 the U.S. government will financially restrain health care when it             
 has failed to restrain other government run programs.   He noted              
 that the position of HIAA is paralleled by Mr. LeBrun's testimony.            
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN clarified that SB 284 does not refer to free health            
 care but rather a much more cost efficient and effective way to pay           
 for health care.  SB 284 does not address a Canadian style system.            
 He noted that SB 284 speaks to a uniquely Alaskan system.  He                 
 pointed out that the HIAA expresses concern about health care, but            
 no action has been taken by the insurance industry to assure that             
 there are not increases in the number of uninsured Americans or               
 increases in costs.  He asserted that if there is any crisis in               
 this country, it would be an insurance crisis which SB 284                    
 addresses.                                                                    
                                                                               
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 GORDAN EVANS noted the small group employer bill that Senator                 
 Duncan voted for last year.  That legislation would address many of           
 the health care problems when it goes into effect.  He stated that            
 SB 284 does not have a financial system.                                      
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN RIEGER proposed that Mr. Evans return for further                    
 testimony in the future.  He asked Mr. Walsh to be prepared to                
 testify on Friday, March 11th, on the fiscal notes of SB 270 and              
 SB 284, the uniform claims form, and the regulation of insurers.              
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN asked if Mr. Walsh, the Division of Insurance had              
 been directed to prepare a detailed fiscal note on SB 270.  DAVE              
 WALSH said no, they had prepared a fiscal note for only their                 
 portion.  SENATOR DUNCAN said that fiscal notes should be prepared            
 by the same people.  Senator Duncan requested that the Division of            
 Insurance be directed to do a fiscal note on SB 270; currently the            
 fiscal note only addresses rate review.                                       
                                                                               
 There being no further business before the committee, the meeting             
 was adjourned at 3:35 p.m.                                                    
                                                                               

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